If you are interested in the EU Ref, this is gripping listening. Gisela Stuart talks about why she, a German immigrant, went from philia to scepticism. It's the opposite of a Humphrys *Today* interview: so much insight and substance in such a short time.
BBC Radio 4: "Dominic Lawson hears from people who have changed their mind in a fundamental way on issues of great public significance" Looking forward to episode when he interviews his father on why he's finally rejected his rejection of climate science